I spent this weekend mulling over
this news about playing both factions on the same server. I have played both sides of Gorfang before and I have to say playing with Order for a change was the most fun 3-4 weeks I ever had in this game. Unfortunately, even though it's a blast getting to run around and play with people you otherwise would never get to cooperate with, experience tells me it comes at a price. People by default don't want to believe you're just playing for fun or the challenge of being the underdog; they assume the worst, and although I never played Order to "help Destro out" or vice versa, I still had to deal with being treated as such. Shit, to this day I still have ignoramuses from both factions sending me vitriol about "crossrealming."
I don't need to say cross realming is retarded. Why anyone would feel the need to cheat at a game that is so fucking easy to begin with is beyond me. I guess people cheat for the sake of cheating? Like when I get cut off on the freeway by douchebags going 80 down the emergency lane, they just want to get ahead because they can? If everyone was mature and used common sense this idea would be great, but in reality there are plenty of people on each side who aren't mature enough to handle the opportunity. And I'm not talking only about the cross realmers themselves.
There are players on Gorfang, that honestly think every fucking time a zone lock fails, or if the enemy even
shows up, it's because "Cross realmers are helping Order/Destro out!!! Derp de DERRR!!!" This tinfoil hat bullshit is more harmful to our side than cross realming itself, in that it cripples our realm's ability to work as a team. When no one is comfortable communicating with each other in /1, /t4 or even vent, coordination is lost, especially in open warbands where trust is most likely to become an issue. Hence we have people who think they are doing our realm a solid as they refuse to join/let each other in warbands, refuse to coordinate with other WB leaders, refuse to fucking work together and yet sit there in wide-eyed disbelief when our forces fall to pieces.
The risk of cross realmers actually being out there of course hinders the chance of pulling off a successful surprise ambush, which is probably my favorite thing to do in ORVR, but this is not like Battleship where peeking over the partition can completely ruin the game. Whether or not you are unfairly gaining tactical information, in Warhammer the plastic pegs have to actually fight the plastic ships before you can say ZOMG you sunk my Martyr's Square or Hatred's Way. If your forces are not prepared to respond to incoming enemies, whether you know they're coming or not, then you fucking fail. In most zones/scenarios there are only a handful of places the enemy could be at or attack from, it doesn't take cheating to get a pretty good idea where the other team is/might be going.
I worry that this will now be a catch-all excuse for sucking miserably in RVR. Instead of sitting back and thinking critically, "Gee whiz, what can we do better next time," shitty players will jump on any excuse to point the finger at anyone but themselves. If these idiots stopped and actually thought about it, the amount of sensitive information to be gained from cross realming is so limited that the effect is minimal, if any, if your warband(s) play smart.
Andrew nailed it with his idea about a 6 day lockout timer for switching sides. I would be happy with this or even a couple weeks. I am giving Mythic the benefit of the doubt as I am assuming they have a much better-justified reason to do this than what was outlined in the Producer's Letter. I just hope they recognize the real harm from this news exists not in the elevated risk of cheating but in our newly exacerbated unwillingness to cooperate with our own fucking realm.
13 comments:
I think they should put 2 months of lock out timers...
I agree with this entire post. A lot of people see to have the idea that "Surely it couldn't be my fault that we failed - it must be crossrealmers/haxx/cheating/bots/whatever else". The tinfoil-hattery on both sides is more than a little frustrating. Hell, if you went by all of the accusations in the forums, 99% of players cheat. Basically, I /cheer this post - right on all points.
(PS - Why does talking about Battleship scare the fuck out of you? :-D)
I once got a week ban for crossrealming I was innocent of, Mythic said I was a rank 40 KotBS on gorfang. Untrue of course
I agree aswell I dont think cross realming is going to be a realistic problem, though people will claim it so. My only fear is that we'll get people abandoning their realm to board the freenown train on the opposing realm. Instead of having a flood of people wanting to be the underdog more people will want to get the free renown. The mailbox guards are proof of that.
Every game I have played; same problem. People are gonna complain no matter what you do.
I am just surprised people have a problem with cross-realming. I don't understand the issue. Then again, I don't do SCs much, nor do I play the game for loot or levels. I die a ton and kill a few. I choose to enjoy the game no matter how much I may suck at it.
Quoting myself from my own write up: (not to be egotistical, just lazy xD)
"We know it’s going to happen, Mythic knows it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. Will it suck? Only as much as you want it to. Some people will ragequit the game because people will inevitably trade kills for crests, possibly throw fights to aid the opposing side, un-own keeps to prevent domination flips, etc. Originally this was my key “holy shit this is a terribad idea” reason too."
Enough of that. Point is, its going to happen and will only be as big of a deal as players choose to make it. So the weirdos wearing their tinfoil hats will continue to do so, whereas the intelligent and mature players will continue to evaluate fights critically and ignore easy excuses.
Sidebar~ I'm glad I decided to roll Order on Gorfang, not because of our "superior numbers", but because you Arsenal folks are really good. I enjoy a challenge and hope to fight you more.
~Rer (Rervover on Gorfang)
****, this was long. My bad!
@Anon: CHOO CHOO BITCHES! I wonder if they will use some kind of "cost" besides the lockout timer to help prevent that.
@Rer: I'm hoping some of these paranoid players quit. I hate seeing people go, but there's just no changing some people's minds. The most vocal ones I am thinking of are feeder fish anyway. My concern is just how contagious their attitude really is.
OH and Kes when I was little I had an Electronic Battleship that talked and made sound effects, except mine was sort of defective. So sometimes when I was in bed I would randomly hear some guy yell "MAN YOUR BATTLESTATIONS!" from my closet every now and then.
Though I guess if I heard it in bed now it would be kind of hot.
I. Will. Never.
EVER.
Play. ORDER!
BABANIM KING OF ORCS !!!!!!!!!!!!
*coughBeardbanimcough*
You take that back! you take that back now chicken!!
There is only one true babanim!! and he aint no pansy ass dwarf
Great post as always.
If you want a full list of excuses for bad players here: http://www.fightontheflag.com/2009/12/23/the-underdogs-lament
I remember on vent every time we lost. "Those f'ing destro are all using Warbuddy." instead of examining the tactics that caused us to lose. It is never your own fault for dying.
Part of the problem is definitions. People tend to lump "playing the other side" into the same definition as "cross-realming" when they have two very different meanings.
In Star Wars Galaxies, you could switch between the two factions with a short lock-out. It allowed for much easier balancing of the sides as the people that wanted even fights would switch regularly to the underpopulated sides.
As for spies, they tend to add a meta-game that can be enjoyable for those that wish to play it. Manipulation of the other side thru providing false information to people we knew were spies provided many giggles during my time in Pirates of the Burning Sea.
It's all perspective in the end. Either you'll always have an issue with it or you couldn't care less it seems. Those views will probably never change for some.
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